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Episcopal Voices :: Search Results 10 Most Recent Posts 10 Results Found Result 1 of 10: Author Topic: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill (Read 20 times) Swick Eucharistic Assistant member is offline Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 210 Location: Massachusetts Re: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill « Result #1 Today at 11:04am » Under Episcopal Church polity, Executive Council speaks with the authority of General Convention; however, I believe it does not have the legislative authority of General Convention. Thank God for the Canadian church, which is not afraid to speak out-the proposed Ugandan legislation appears to be draconian enough that speaking out against it shouldn't even be controversial. Silence implies either cowardice, indifference, or assent. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Result 2 of 10: Author Topic: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill (Read 20 times) Uriel Eucharistic Assistant member is offline Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 167 Re: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill « Result #2 Today at 7:51am » Phil - if you mean wait for diocesan conventions or General Convention, I don't think we do need to do that. Our Executive Council has called for "discussion," and I do believe that it is in the power of any individual, such as the PB, in authority or otherwise, to speak individually. I hope that by the time the next GC comes, this terrible bill will have faded into nothing. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Result 3 of 10: Author Topic: So long and thanks for all the priests? (Read 89 times) Canadian Phil Saint member is offline Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 720 Location: Toronto, ON Re: So long and thanks for all the priests? « Result #3 Yesterday at 8:52pm » Sojourner; Of course, I would worship next to you for the simple reason that I am no better and no worse than you are. You and I have written back and forth long enough for you to know that I don't hold a view that everyone has to be perfect in the church and that I, as a sinner, have no call to kick anyone out of the church for sin. Frankly, if the condition for remaining a member of the church was perfect righteousness, the churches would be mightly empty. And besides, Jesus himself says he's come for those who needed healing, not for those who were well. All of those things together mean, to me, that I should feel no squeamishness on consorting with other sinners (and I don't care what sin that is), especially in God's Church. As for your characterization of my position as being "if I advocate a view, I just may not act on it.", I'm not entirely sure of what view you are advocating here, so it is hard to know what to answer. Could you clarify this? Peace, Phil Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged si Deus pro nobis quis contra nos Result 4 of 10: Author Topic: So long and thanks for all the priests? (Read 89 times) Sojourner Saint member is offline Pretty low IQ and no master's degree Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 513 Location: Indianapolis, IN Re: So long and thanks for all the priests? « Result #4 Yesterday at 11:02am » I'm damning the torpedoes, Phil, but I would welcome worshipping next to you. You do not have to approve of the position that I take, nor the actions that support those positions. You certainly have the right to voice opposition to those views. The next question is, could you be welcoming of me? As I understand your position, if I advocate a view, I just may not act on it. As long as I do not act, you will feel welcome? Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Result 5 of 10: Author Topic: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill (Read 20 times) Canadian Phil Saint member is offline Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 720 Location: Toronto, ON Re: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill « Result #5 Yesterday at 8:29am » Synods, perhaps? Phil Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged si Deus pro nobis quis contra nos Result 6 of 10: Author Topic: Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill (Read 20 times) Uriel Eucharistic Assistant member is offline Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 167 Canadian Church speaks against Ugandan bill « Result #6 on Nov 22, 2009, 2:43pm » Apparently the first province to do so. What the hell are we waiting for? http://www.episcopalcafe.com/lead/anglic....others_are.html Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Result 7 of 10: Author Topic: +Rowan and Pope Benedict "mend fences" (Read 7 times) angli_fan Presiding Moderator member is offline Back In The Fight... Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 1,205 Location: Diocese of Lexington, KY, USA +Rowan and Pope Benedict "mend fences" « Result #7 on Nov 22, 2009, 2:39am » [from America, the national Catholic weekly; hat tip to Thinking Anglicans] by Austen Ivereigh 'Archbishop of Canterbury and Pope in talks to heal rift' is the tenor of most news reports on their 20-minute meeting today. A Vatican communiqué described the encounter as "cordial" (when isn't it?): they discussed "the challenges facing all Christian communities at the beginning of this millennium, and the need to promote forms of collaboration and shared witness in facing these challenges", with a focus on "recent events affecting relations between the Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion". Today's was a diplomatic exercise, but there is no rift. Dr Williams is annoyed at not being given proper notice of the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus -- he tells the Financial Times that he was left with a "bruised ego" - but then, nor did the bishops of England and Wales. Vatican high-handedness is nothing new. And in this case there was an obsession with the announcement not leaking out lest ecumenical relations be damaged more than they have. One of the surprising -- at least to the journalists who have been calling me today -- elements of today's meeting was that the official Anglican-Catholic dialogue appears to be back on track after some years in the sidings. Benedict XVI and Dr Williams discussed the future of the next stage of the ARCIC process -- ARCIC III -- whose aim has always been to achieve the unification of the Anglican and the Catholic Churches. According to Cardinal Kasper, the topic is not yet agreed but is likely to be the question of the universal v. the local Church -- a subject that will be never far behind negotiations over the new ordinariates. Read it all here: http://www.americamagazine.org/blog/entr....878100027444363 http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/ Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged God, grant me the Grace to accept with Serenity the people I cannot change, the Courage to change the one I can, and the Wisdom to know it’s me. Result 8 of 10: Author Topic: So long and thanks for all the priests? (Read 89 times) Canadian Phil Saint member is offline Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 720 Location: Toronto, ON Re: So long and thanks for all the priests? « Result #8 on Nov 21, 2009, 12:05pm » Sojourner; You have helped clarify the difference between our position on how to understand schism. It does make sense that your view is based on seeing it as primarily political and, while I concede that there are political aspects to communion, I do see it from a theological/spiritual point of view. That is, schism is the breach of the unity of Christ's body (emphasized all over the place in Scripture, I note) and, hence, demonstrates a failure in the virtues of forebearence and mutual service which Christ himself taught us, most notably enacted in the footwashing of the disciples. What bothers me the most is the failure of the virtues, not the collapse of the structures which, you rightly imply, are human-made. We do agree that the Church of Christ is not in its physical or institutional structure, but rather in its people which is precisely why we should be worried when Christians of good will are unable to deal with disagreement and start slanging each other off. How is that a demonstration of good Christian virtue? So, yes, the political aspects are not enough to bind us together, but the spiritual ones should be and they're not. That means all of us, conservative and liberal, need to repent and start looking to God for our answers not our own self-will. Because isn't that what this whole dispute about as one side proceeds, damn the torpedoes, and the other side picks up its marbles and goes. Am I the only one who sees the problem with this? I am a Christian first and Anglican second, so I deny that I am being parochial in my question over where my place is in this 'new world'. I am not interested in spliting because that is the easy way out and because I believe the path to the virtues lead to my remaining where I am. So, does that mean I'm welcome or not? If not, why not? That is my real question. Peace, Phil Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged si Deus pro nobis quis contra nos Result 9 of 10: Author Topic: An Evangelical re-thinks his position on inclusion (Read 53 times) Sojourner Saint member is offline Pretty low IQ and no master's degree Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 513 Location: Indianapolis, IN Re: An Evangelical re-thinks his position on inclu « Result #9 on Nov 20, 2009, 11:09pm » Thanks, Uriel, for sharing this article. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Result 10 of 10: Author Topic: So long and thanks for all the priests? (Read 89 times) Sojourner Saint member is offline Pretty low IQ and no master's degree Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 513 Location: Indianapolis, IN Re: So long and thanks for all the priests? « Result #10 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:53pm » Among the differences we have evidenced in our conversations over these years concerns schism. You have always considered it to be a primary scandal in the Church. While I have underplayed it in the past, I am coming closer to a point where I consider it irrelevant. Ultimately, schism seems to be a political, rather than theological term. The rise of denominationalism, post-Reformation, seems not to be necessarily, a repudiation of fellow Christians, but rather, the gathering of Christians who emphasize certain elements of the faith, while other groups focus on other areas. Adhering to five point Calvinism may appeal to a certain intellectual urge, it does not require one to shout anathema at a convinced Arminian. Presbyterians need not deny the validity of a Lutheran's baptism, and deny his membership in the Body of Christ. Anglicanism, as we know it, was a very specific development in the Reformation, as much defined by English politics as informed by the Holy Spirit. The Elizabethan compromise only occurred in England. Geneva certainly attempted no reformation by compromise. From its beginning, the Anglican experiment had fissures and rifts, and, I would say, the seeds of it's future eruption rather than destruction. Acceptance of Holy Scripture, the Nicene Creed, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion and the historic episcopacy, coupled with usage of a Prayer Book, were the essentials of Anglicanism. As long as these instruments took precedence, an unsteady peace could be made. However, these instruments were not strong enough to overcome the theological incongruities that attempted to exist side by side. Add to this the practical and cultural differences that exist between "former" colonialists and their former colonies, we now have cultural, economic and social differences that require a reordering of the Communion. That is what we are seeing. I read a lament in your question, "do we have no place in the new Episcopalian/Anglican world?" I have no answer to that question, because it is a question that I believe is too parochial, too wedded to a denominational view current Christianity. For me the question is "what does the new world look like?" And, 500 years from now, will our descendents look at our actions and declare that we all were nuts? I'm betting heavy for that to be the case. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Forum Jump--------------------» Home--------------------» General--------------------- Inquirer's Class- General Episcopal Discussion- Episcopal Voices Archive

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